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27 December 2007 @ 12:59 pm
The Curse of Chalion Discussion #1: First Impressions  
Hello and welcome to booklog_sff's first discussion! I hope everyone had a wonderful time reading (or in some cases rereading) Lois McMaster Bujold's The Curse of Chalion.

Let's begin with some basics.

What were your first impressions of the book?

Were there things that you liked immediately? Disliked?

Did the main character, Lupe dy Cazaril, interest you from the start?


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Diana Moon: Found Serenitydizilla on December 27th, 2007 09:30 pm (UTC)
I'd have to agree a bit with etrangere, it does have a bit of a slow beginning and it's one of the first things I noticed. It's not too slow, as I didn't have to force myself into turning the pages, which was nice. I enjoyed within the first few chapters we're given hints about the world beyond and the history that poor Cazaril had been through. We also immediately get a taste of how his mind works, as humbling as it is, and can see were it may lead to.

The pacing at times reminded me of Deathly Hollows, in which it would jump head and still have not much going on that was too interesting. Granted, we were to be introduced to how court life was languid in the beginning and then how tricky it got when the Royes went to visit Orico.

I did love the religion that was created with it centered around family. Each deity had their own interesting story and loyalties. It would have been nice to have learned of the other religious sects that were mostly just hinted at.

Overall, it was quite different from the normal fantasy that interests me, but I'm glad to have gotten a chance to read it.
Anne-Elisa: dance with meetrangere on December 27th, 2007 10:12 pm (UTC)
It would have been nice to have learned of the other religious sects that were mostly just hinted at.
It's worth pointing out that it's a series (although each book is independant), there's already been Paladins of Souls and Hallowed Hunt which deal more specifically with other gods and other fun metaphysical facts. I think she's planning a series of 5, one for each god.
Diana Moondizilla on December 28th, 2007 07:10 am (UTC)
That would make sense, to have a quintet. I'll definitely see about picking up the other two out. I really enjoyed everything that was related to the mythos of the deities.
an absolute word tart!schemingreader on December 27th, 2007 10:57 pm (UTC)
I want to talk about the ways that Bujold treats religion here, and in her Vorkosigan books, and also about how Challion and The Telling each deal with religion. Obviously I'm getting ahead of the program here.

In the Vorkosigan saga, there are hints about religious belief. Cordelia is a believer (though in what exactly, we don't know.) Here we have a world in which the gods are real, and a person can be arrested for attempting to bring down their power to kill another. I thought this was a departure from her other work. In Vorkosigan, we admired some religious beliefs as potentiating ethical/admirable behavior--here, they are indistinguishable from valor itself. If you are a soldier in the service of the gods, then your devotion to your job is entirely worship.

It's kind of medieval, actually.
Anne-Elisaetrangere on December 27th, 2007 11:09 pm (UTC)
Yeah, there's a matter of factness about religion in Chalion's world which is a bit odd. It looks more like your average D&D world in that faith is not the issue. All the more usual trappings of religion, the issue of interpretation, of chosing to believe, of doubts which one can perfectly retain even with metaphysical elements are here absent. I'm not sure what I felt about what was left.
an absolute word tart!schemingreader on December 27th, 2007 11:22 pm (UTC)
Well, that's mostly true, but isn't there another country where they only worship a quartet of gods? Maybe there is more about this later in the series.
Anne-Elisaetrangere on December 27th, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the bad guys' country which consider the Bastard is a demon instead of a god.

But you know, it's the bad guys' country.
Diana Moon: Witch in all of Usdizilla on December 28th, 2007 07:12 am (UTC)
If you'd like, you can make a post now about just discussing the use of religion in this story, and maybe bringing up certain points for us to ponder upon. ^_^

Once we have the discussions on the Telling, we certainly can delve into the similarities and differences.